The ManKind Podcast
The ManKind Podcast is a space where modern masculinity gets redefined by real men doing real work.
In a world full of outdated blueprints and noisy stereotypes, hosts Brandon Clift and Boysen Hodgson unpack what it means to be a man today with humor, honesty, and heart.
This isn’t about telling you WHO to be. It’s about helping you pick up the pen and write your own story of manhood. Whether we’re breaking down leadership blind spots, sharing the messiness of personal growth, or talking to mission-driven authors and change-makers, this show offers tools, stories, and soulful conversations to help you show up as the man you're destined to become!
If you’re ready to stop performing and start becoming, tune in. We’re here for the messy, meaningful, and often hilarious journey of becoming the kind of man and human you actually want to be.
Created by the ManKind Project USA.
Hosted by Brandon Clift & Boysen Hodgson.
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268 - Your Organization Is Alive: Leading With Heart, Not Machinery, with Norman Wolfe
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What if your organization isn't a machine but a living thing?
In this episode, Boysen Hodgson sits down with Norman Wolfe, founder and CEO of Quantum Leaders Inc., former Hewlett-Packard executive, ManKind Project brother, and co-author with his wife Jane Wolfe of the Living Organization trilogy. Norman's leadership journey started with a first performance review that said "unacceptable" in every category. Four decades later, he helps CEOs close the gap between strategy and execution by paying attention to what most leaders can't see.
Norman lays out the three forces that drive results for people and organizations: activity, relationship, and context. He explains why context, the meaning we make, is the leader's most powerful point of leverage. He and Boysen talk about moving leadership from plan, organize, lead, and control to set context, develop people, build community, and be of service. They also cover why training alone rarely changes behavior, and how organizations can carry trauma from years of treating people as parts.
Norman walks through the six skills from his new book, Leading the Living Organization: heart centering, heart-centered communication, reframing context, improv mindset, balancing opposites, and coaching and developing. He closes with something personal: what three marriages taught him, and how he and Jane learned to make decisions for the "us" they created together.
If you lead a team, work inside an organization, or just want to show up more whole with the people around you, this conversation is a humane, practical way to rethink leadership.
In this episode:
- The failed first review that started Norman's leadership journey
- Activity, relationship, and context: the hidden forces behind results
- Why "people are our most important asset" misses the point
- Committed vs. compliant: what changes engagement
- The six skills of leading a living organization
- "What would you do if you sat in my seat?"
- Merlin: the name Norman and Jane gave their relationship
Resources:
- Leading the Living Organization by Norman & Jane Wolfe: [BOOK LINK]
- Quantum Leaders Inc.: [WEBSITE LINK]
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