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The ManKind Podcast
The ManKind Podcast is a space where modern masculinity gets redefined by real men doing real work.
In a world full of outdated blueprints and noisy stereotypes, hosts Brandon Clift and Boysen Hodgson unpack what it means to be a man today with humor, honesty, and heart.
This isn’t about telling you WHO to be. It’s about helping you pick up the pen and write your own story of manhood. Whether we’re breaking down leadership blind spots, sharing the messiness of personal growth, or talking to mission-driven authors and change-makers, this show offers tools, stories, and soulful conversations to help you show up as the man you're destined to become!
If you’re ready to stop performing and start becoming, tune in. We’re here for the messy, meaningful, and often hilarious journey of becoming the kind of man and human you actually want to be.
Created by the ManKind Project USA.
Hosted by Brandon Clift & Boysen Hodgson.
The ManKind Podcast
263 - What It Actually Takes to Build Brotherhood and Leave Isolation with Nick Papadopoulos & Jake Fishbein
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Most men have zero foxhole buddies. Not because they don't want them — but because they keep choosing comfort over the risk of being truly known. Nick Papadopoulos has spent 23 years building men's groups, and Jake Fishbein has spent the last decade inside them. Together they've written a novel about what it actually looks like when men stop spectating and enter the arena. It became an Amazon bestseller. This conversation is the unfiltered backstory.
In this conversation, you'll learn:
- Why the "I'm too busy" excuse is almost always a lie men tell themselves — and what it's actually protecting
- What it means to be a foxhole buddy versus a fair-weather friend, and how to build those relationships before the 3AM crisis call
- How the Arena Men's Group model identifies the exact moment a man is about to leave his own growth — and what to do about it
- Why being in a men's group on Monday doesn't mean you're in the arena on Tuesday — the real measure of the work
- What Nick's 50-year friendship taught him about how deep a single conversation can go when men finally get honest
- Why the work you do in a men's circle doesn't stop at you — and why your wife is probably your men's group's biggest fan
Grab the book, find your foxhole, and stop being a spectator in your own life.
Resources Mentioned:
- The Men's Group: A Novel of Messy Friendships by Nick Papadopoulos & Jake Fishbein — https://a.co/d/0051GHKs (also available at bookshop.org, Barnes & Noble, Target)
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